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@CharminSoft
The game is designed around having a limited view as well that needs to be considered. The game falls apart when you have the distance zoomed way out with being able to see through walls, how targeting works, aggro, and a ton of other things. The FP camera view is just a long hanging fruit. EJ may not even understand the point of having the camera at a certain fixed distance from your character, but it does impact gameplay so should be measured and set appropriately. FP view has never had a place in Prime. It is a byproduct from when EJ merged the original Xenimus FP and Xenimus Prime into one game, and remains because EJ borrows/copies code between the two games in an attempt to make his life easier (please just pick one game).

Additional server-side checks to verify that all players are at the fixed distance, that spells are being cast at the appropriate distance, and other such checks to cut the cheating part out would be a preferable fix for the long term. More technical fixes could be to limit the game's maximum resolution or force windowed mode at a certain aspect ratio, etc. The game is too primitive to be immune to simple Cheat Engine and script edits, so a lot to unpack here not just for the zoom cheat.

This is another case like Dungeon Server where the game will be better off working without it, so it should be removed in the short-term and replaced/reworked in the long-term.


Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:28 am
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[quote="epicchase"]@CharminSoft
The game is designed around having a limited view as well that needs to be considered. The game falls apart when you have the distance zoomed way out with being able to see through walls, how targeting works, aggro, and a ton of other things. The FP camera view is just a long hanging fruit. EJ may not even understand the point of having the camera at a certain fixed distance from your character, but it does impact gameplay so should be measured and set appropriately. FP view has never had a place in Prime. It is a byproduct from when EJ merged the original Xenimus FP and Xenimus Prime into one game, and remains because EJ borrows/copies code between the two games in an attempt to make his life easier (please just pick one game).

Additional server-side checks to verify that all players are at the fixed distance, that spells are being cast at the appropriate distance, and other such checks to cut the cheating part out would be a preferable fix for the long term. More technical fixes could be to limit the game's maximum resolution or force windowed mode at a certain aspect ratio, etc. The game is too primitive to be immune to simple Cheat Engine and script edits, so a lot to unpack here not just for the zoom cheat.

This is another case like Dungeon Server where the game will be better off working without it, so it should be removed in the short-term and replaced/reworked in the long-term.[/quote]


Your post is too long- and the beginning makes it seem like you're defending top down zoom out. The main purpose is to keep everyone on equal playing ground. Simple.


Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:48 am
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tl;dr

Limit screen size > Unlocked zoom

Increased zoom has same effect that FP mode has. Block one, remove the other. Equal playing field retained.


Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:55 am
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[quote="epicchase"]tl;dr

Limit screen size > Unlocked zoom

Increased zoom has same effect that FP mode has. Block one, remove the other. Equal playing field retained.[/quote]

I see what you're saying, and agree. Any step of progress to fix the problem is better than doing nothing.


Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:44 am
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i play in fp often to help see people getting close to me. so i would not like to see it disabled for forever.


Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:54 am

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Just remove the flag in FP mode that let's you see things further away, problem solved.

Then people can play with the camera all they want, let them view further out, they won't see anything.

Find it funny people complained that xenlua let you move the camera and was a hack, and in reality, FP mode is the hack because of the extra view distance the server sends you for units/objects/spells.

This would also fix the rediculous PVP in veil from certain rangers where they go into FP mode so they can start shooting arrows at people before they are visible on that persons screen.


Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:16 am
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andy012345 wrote:
Just remove the flag in FP mode that let's you see things further away, problem solved.

Then people can play with the camera all they want, let them view further out, they won't see anything.

Find it funny people complained that xenlua let you move the camera and was a hack, and in reality, FP mode is the hack because of the extra view distance the server sends you for units/objects/spells.

This would also fix the rediculous PVP in veil from certain rangers where they go into FP mode so they can start shooting arrows at people before they are visible on that persons screen.

Max geared darkwars are also doing the same by spirit running or transing directly on you from similar distances.

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There are more things than just this being used


Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:53 pm
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notthisshitagain wrote:
There are more things than just this being used


So if you know of or who is doing these things. Say it so it can be taken care of

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Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:37 pm
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so it can be like us telling ej there is duping going on and him not believe us for how many years to where he has to do a full wipe. hell he can't even figure out the lsa bug and click bug yet. what makes u think he will figure this out.


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