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 Idea for the 3-5 who want full pvp. 
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There are many players who do not use these boards. So these numbers of people for or against full pvp is not anywhere near accurate. Why not use the mail box for in game polls?



Because MOST of the accounts of all those who suit were purchased by a handful of people.

They would cast 10+ votes alone just one player. That's why ej hasn't ran a poll in years. Last time numbers were highly skewed by those who own tons of accounts.

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:29 pm
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Because you can create unlimited amount of accounts and characters for free. So then you need extra checks, from a specific level, which level? Do lower levels not get a choice? Do experienced players know how to level a bunch of characters to min level to affect vote? Do people with more accounts have a bigger say? With not that many active players, a single dedicated person trying to manipulate the vote can do so quite easily, on boards or in-game.

In my opinion GVE is the best solution. EJ has already said he won't do it without a bigger population, and it splits the population up etc. But I think you can build population by adding GVE, waiting for the population to go up before GVE and then switch seems pointless to me.

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:33 pm
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Also IF so many people want full pvp, why don't they all constantly remain in solus and full pvp each other non stop?

Full pvp is just an excuse for the "full pvp" people to target the anti pk people.

Go pvp each other in solus, odium.

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:36 pm
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That was already explained to you in a different topic, that you are ignoring on purpose no doubt. But for anyone else reading this, I'll reply with it.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7088&p=74837#p74833

Encouraging people to do something that has in large been part of its success. Behaviour is predictable, good game design is to facilitate that behaviour. It's not rocket science. Anyways like EJ said he will look at GVE when he thinks the time is right.

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If full PvP was just for level 70s then giving each level 70 a chance to vote seems very fair. Personally I would only get one vote because I haven’t dedicated the time or other resources to have more than 1 option. However, I won’t resent those who have made a larger investment than me having more votes


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and those who bought 5-15 lvl 70 accounts get 5-15 votes each

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:09 pm
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Seems fair just as how Texas California has 53 seats in House of Representatives and Montana gets 1. As mentioned I’m Montana but recognize I deserve less of a say compared to someone with more 70 representatives


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The Poet wrote:
If full PvP was just for level 70s then giving each level 70 a chance to vote seems very fair. Personally I would only get one vote because I haven’t dedicated the time or other resources to have more than 1 option. However, I won’t resent those who have made a larger investment than me having more votes


I feel you and probably the fairest/best alternative solution I've heard in regards to full PVP, making it available to 70's only. I still think GVE is better though and would love to see more balancing for levels underneath 70 to go along with that.

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Polling is an awful way of deciding the elements of the game like this.

For example, I have a level 70 char that would be passed around like the village bicycle in full pvp, so does that mean I am NEVER allowed to pvp? Because I'd have to choose anti pk? Maybe one day I will have gear to pvp with, but if I've had to go anti-pk to stand a chance - I'm screwed.

GvE brings back PvP, fixes Xen lore, and doesn't mess up the game with short sighted mechanics like this. Lets' just bring back GvE


Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:33 pm
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Seems almost everyone would like full PvP but I also like the idea of it being for level 70s only. My 65 ranger gets crushed by a 70 far worse than my old level 40s did prior to restructure


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